tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post3221351645661418924..comments2024-03-12T01:41:35.370-07:00Comments on Predator Friendly Ranching : Rethinking Carnivores by:Kevin Van Tighem Louise Liebenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05474938590034065595noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-37465894386070747912017-03-09T23:53:34.251-08:002017-03-09T23:53:34.251-08:00I saw a tv show about a man studying wolves that u...I saw a tv show about a man studying wolves that used sounds of wolves howling to keep wolves away from livestock in Poland, it was working as wolves are territorial as Kevin pointed out. I have used my cell phone to play woves howling when coyotes come near my farm and it works as well...but I also have pigs which the coyotes don't like so it is a combination of things that keep them from attacking my livestock..I also have electric fencing.<br /><br />I wish we could all (the emtire planet) could look at our problems like this and work together for solutions, but I fear there is too much greed for that to actually happen.Lady Cutterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01983746187117201330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-65305999646360585662017-02-09T07:17:12.264-08:002017-02-09T07:17:12.264-08:00https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/98/1/1/29...https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/98/1/1/2977253/Carnivore-conservation-shifting-the-paradigm-from<br /><br />read the part on predator removal :)Louise Liebenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474938590034065595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-62904987875766231482017-02-06T12:11:14.087-08:002017-02-06T12:11:14.087-08:00Hi Louise,
there are plenty of more rebuttals fro...Hi Louise,<br /><br />there are plenty of more rebuttals from Wielgus online than that one, but so far there is also no update that he wanted to publish last summer.<br />Thanks for asking KvT, I just wanted to play devil's advocate :)<br /><br />I don't agree that it's politics though, but science, as the authors of the counter study say:<br /><br />“Our goal in writing the rebuttal was to verify the science,” Baral said. “We would like to tell the audience that this paper is not about for or against wolves, it is about proper time series analysis.”<br /><br />Still the W&P study gets rejected by ranchers/shepherds naming the counter study in the same discussion in Europe (Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy for example) and they will continue to until there are further information/studies on this, backing W&P up.<br /><br />The more, the better, like the counter authors also stated: "The social disruption theory should be tested at the wolfpack level"Hendrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08302435278555196736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-48381956878733466052017-02-06T09:50:27.394-08:002017-02-06T09:50:27.394-08:00Hi Hendrik
I asked Kevin about this and this was h...Hi Hendrik<br />I asked Kevin about this and this was his reply:<br />"that counter-analysis was actually what was proven incorrect - their statistical approach was based on time sequences that had no biological validity. but there you go: wolves is political<br />Thank you for that. Do you maybe have a link to this?<br /><br /><br />http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/feb/16/researchers-say-killing-wolves-reduces-attacks-on-/<br />Louise Liebenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474938590034065595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-41978218951507259932017-02-03T18:35:04.230-08:002017-02-03T18:35:04.230-08:00The Wielgus/Peebles study has been proven to be in...The Wielgus/Peebles study has been proven to be incorrect for nearly a year now.<br /><br />"Had these ‘counter-intuitive’ findings not been scrutinized closely through replication, the accidental findings would have been propagated as general truth. Any management and conservation practices and decisions informed by such accidental findings can be problematic."<br />See here:<br />http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article%3Fid%3D10.1371/journal.pone.0148743<br /><br />Hendrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08302435278555196736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-87746457910740500302017-01-28T13:10:38.176-08:002017-01-28T13:10:38.176-08:00This is a beautifully thought out article ,confirm...This is a beautifully thought out article ,confirming for me that the protection of live stock lies in effective protection of live stock. If that makes beef and beef products more expensive - so be it.Eat less .<br />As far as seeing the noble wolf as some kind of doggie fairy - fact is ,the big bad wolf has forever been undeservedly maligned. I love dogs .I also love the real wolf,who would prefer if I paid attention somewhere else and just leave him be....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />asWillow's Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558346540062732316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481785061696705243.post-86757936347916836522017-01-28T12:21:20.943-08:002017-01-28T12:21:20.943-08:00Thank you Louise and Kevin for providing and shari...Thank you Louise and Kevin for providing and sharing this powerful information. I believe that collaboration ensures DEEP and TRUE progress and when people are solution-oriented positive change can (and WILL) happen. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09585027552143706322noreply@blogger.com